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154

2hé

LIFE

of

the

Lis.

I,

Ad

6",

The

word [National

Church]

admits

of

divers

fences. As

k

was ufu-

a11y

underftood in England I think there

was

nonefor

divers

hundred

years after

Chrift,

either governed

by

Bifhopsor without them.

They

that

will look after

the molt encouragipg

Prefidents,

mull

look

higher than National

Churches.

Ad

7".

The

Queftion

feems

not to

mean any particular truly-

fchifmatical

Party

of

Minigers,

but

the generality,

that

live

not

under the

Bithops

:

and

fo I anfwerne-

gatruely,waiting

for

the

Accufersproof.

41

84'.

r. I

know

not what the Oath

of

Canonical Obedience

is

:

therefore

cannot give

a full Aufwer.

I know multitudes

of

Minifters ordained by

Bithops,

that

never tookany

fuch

Oath.

2.

The

Powers

that

violently took down the

Bithops,

were the

Secular

Powers:

None

elfe

could ere

Violence.

And it were

a

ftrange

Oath

for

a

Man to fwearthat

he

would never obey

the

Secular Powers

if

they took down

the Bithops,

when the

Holy Ghoft

would have

us

obey

Heathen

Perfecutors.

3.

If

it

were

fo

great

a

Sin

to

obey thofe

Powers,

I

conceive

it mug

be fo

to

the Laity

as

well

as

the Miniftry

:

AndI knew

but few

of

the Epifcopal Gentry

or

others called

to

it

that did

refufe

to take the Engagement to

be true and faithful

to

that

Power, when the

Presbyters here accufed durft

not

take it.

4.

Mott

Presbyters

that I

know do perform

all

Ecclefiafical Matters upon

fup-

pofition

of

a

DivineDiredlion, and

not upon

the Command

of

Humane Pow-

ers.

Ad

9

".

The

Ordination of meet

Presbyters

is

not

null

,

and the Presbyters fo

or-

dained now

in

England

are true

Presbyters,

as

I am

ready

to maintain.

But

wait

for

the Accufer's

proof

of

the nullity.

Ad r

o

".

t.

This

calls me

todecide the Controverte about the late

Wars,

which

I

find

not either neceffaryor convenientforme to undertake.

a.

The

like

I mull

fay

of

deciding the Legality

of

Inductions and Admif-

fions.

3.

If

a

worthy Man be can out, had you rather that

God's Worfltip were

neg-

lected, and the People perifhed for

lack

of

Teaching, then

any

other Man

Ihould

be

fet

over

them, though

one that had no hand

in

calling him out

?

Malt

the

People

needs have

him

or

none

as

long

as

he lives? Was

it

fo

when

Bithops

were

can out heretofore byEmperours or Councils?

I

think

I

may take the Guidance

of

a deltitute

People,

fo

I

hinder not a worthy Man from recovering

his

Right.

q.

I never

defired

that any

Ihould be

Excluded

but theUnworthy, (the

InfulEci-

ent,

or Scandalous, or

ggroily

Negligent)

:

And

I

know but toofew

of

the Ejected

that are notfuch

:

And

This

Queftion doth modenly

pats over

their

Cafe

;

or

elfe

I

Ihould have

Paid

fomewhat more

to the Matter.

Ad

i r ".

I.

It

is

a

neceffary

Chriltian Dutyto

fee

that we do

not

the

lean

Evil

for

our own

fafety

:

And

all

God's

Ordinances

muff be

maintained

as

far

as

we

can

:

But

as

I

before

difclaimed the Arrogance

of

determining the Controverte

a-

bout our DiocefanEpifcopacy,

fo

-I

think

not

every Legal Right

of

the Church

(

which it hath by Man's Law

),

nor

every thing

in

our Liturgy, to

be

worthy

fo

Ptiff

a

maintenance,

as

to the

lofs

of Life ;

nor the

lots

of

Peace

:

Nor did

the late

King think

fo,

who

would have letgo fo much. But

I thinkthat they that

did this

[carnally for

Self-

intereft and Ends] did

grievoufly

fin,

whether the thing it felf

were good or

bad

:

efpecially

if

they went againft their Confciences.

s.

I

think there

is

no

unlawful Prayers

or

Service

now

offered

to God

in

the

Church ordinarily,

where I

have had

opportunity to know

it.

And

I

think we

pray for the

fame things, in

the main,

as

we were

wont to

do;

and

offer

Gad the

fame Service:

And that Mr.

Bad

and others againft the

Separa:ifts,have fufficiently

proved, that

it

is

no part of the Worfhip, but

an

Accident of

it

felf indifferent,

that I

ufeThefe Wnrdr,

or

Thofe,

a Book

or

no Book,

a

Form premeditated, or not.

Andno

Separatiff

bath yet

well anfwered them.

Ad

ía

".

Such

as

you defcribedyou can hardly know, and therefore

not

know-

ingly

fcruple

their Communion

; for

a Man's

endsand knowledge are out

of

your

fight: You

can hardly tell who did

this

[

againft

Knowledge and Confcience, car-

nally, for Self intereff]. But

if

you mean

it

of

your ordinary Minifers and Con-

gregations,

I

am

part doubt

that you are

Schifmatical,

if

not

worfe,

if

you avoid

the Affembiies, and Ordinances mentioned, upon

fuch Accufations

and

Suppofiti.

ons

:

And I

Mall

much

eafier

prove this,

than

you will make good your Separa-

tion.

rid