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PAR

T

II.

Reverend

Mr.

Richard

Baxter.

337

if

they would afterward prove the lawfulnefs

of

them,

or theirPowerfo to

impofe

them.

On

thefe

Terms we flood

with

them about

two

Days,

and

they

would

not yield to

pröve

any

thing

at

all.

At

lait

I

oft

declared

to them, that

we

would

do our part,

and

prove'their Impofitions unlawful,

whether they would do

their

part or no; but

with

an

open

Declaration that we took them

for

Deferrers

of

their

Caufe.

At

fait

Dr.

Pierfon

alone

undertook that

he

would

.difpute

for

their

Part,

when we had performed ours, and we accepted

of

Undertaking.

4

194.

Upon

this,

Peeing

it

was

o

be

all done

in

Writing,

the

reft

of

the

Com

-

tnillioners on both

fides

did

choofe three,

of

a

Party to

manage

the

Difpute,

that the other

might withdraw

themfelves,

becaufe

they

had

no more to do.

The

Bifhops chofe

Dr.

Pierfon,

Dr:

Gunning,

and

Dr.

Sparrow!.

The

other fide

chofe

Since

B

Dr.

Bates,

Dr.

5'acomb,

and

my

!elf;

(for

I

never medled

with

the choice

of

any,

mops

of

only

I

wouldfain

have had

Mr.

William Moles,

Mr.

Gibbons,

and

Mr.

Matthew Pooleit,",:,

t:-

into the Commiffion,

that

I

might

have had

their

help

in

Dilputing,

becaufe

they

ÑorvkIs,

werevery

quick,

ingenuous

Men,.

and!

could

notprevail.)

The

reft

of

our

Bre-

thren prefently withdrew,

and

not

a

Man

of

them came near

us

any

more

;

as

fuppofing

it

contrary to the Agreement: But

the Bifhops came

(fame

of

them)

from

day

to

day

; indeed

on the fecond day they

asked

whether any more than

the Difputants

might

be

prefent.

And

I

anfwered them;

That

we cared

not

how

many

of

them were

prefnt

:

And

after

that;

others

that

were

not

in

the Corn,

million

asked,

whether they

might

be

prefent

;

and

I

told

them the fame.

So

that

there

came

Dr.

Pory;

Dr.

Crowther,

and

almoli

the

Room

full

of

them

(with

two

or

three

Scholars

and

Lay

-men, that

as

Auditors

came

in with

us

( Mr.

Miles,

Mr.Ttdotfon,

&c)

t9q. When

I

began

our

firti

Argument, to prove their Impofitions

finful,

Bi..

lhop

Cefan,

was

offended

at

the

Word

[Mid]

í

and

told

me

that

I

condemned

all

the Churches

of

ChB,

who

all

of

them impofed

Tome

Gelling

or other,

as

much

as

that

came

to

y

and

what intollerable

Boldnefs

was

it

in

us

to charge all the

Churches

of

Chrift with

Sin

!

I

anfwered

him, r.

That

many

of

the

reformed

Churches

did not impofe any fuch

thing

on

theirTerms;,

that

is,

to

rejehk

all

from the

Minitiry

and

Communion that

conformed not.

a.

It

was

no Arrogance

nor Uncharitablenefs,

to

charge

all theChurch

and

World. with

Sin :

But

he

that

faith

he hash

no Sin,

is

a

Lyar

:

In

many things we

offend all

:

it

is

the Privi-

ledge

of

the

Triumphant Church to

be

without

Sin.

This

they ftormed at, and

yet

could

not tell how

to

deny

it.

Bishop Lany

laid,

[That ju/l

fed

Perfent

have

no

Sin,

and

are

no

Sinners

becaufe

3uflifcarion

rakerb

it

away].

But when

I

anfwered

him

by opening

the

Nature

of

Jultification,

and

!hewing that

it

took not away

the

Sin

it

felf, but

the

Guilt,

which

is

the

Obligation to Punifhment,'

he was

confounded,

and unfaid

all

again, and

knew not what

he

laid

:

I

told him that

he

might

fee

how

near we came

to

him

:

I

confeffed

that

if

the

Controverfy

were

but

ale

Nomine,

and he took Jutiification,

as

force do, for Sandtification,

or

a

Change

of

our

Qualities

and

A

&ions,

then

I

granted

him that

is

took

away. Sin

it

fell,

but not perfently,

and

therefore

Sin

(till

remained.

Here

he

and tome more

faid,

that no Man

before me ever

took Juftification

in

any fuch

Sence,

and

they laugh.

ed at me :

I

anfwered, that

I

was glad

to

hear

him

fay

fo;

for my fear that he

fymbolized

with the

Papilla was abated, now

1"perceived

that

he

knew

not

what

they

held :

And Dr.

Gunning

anfwered againit

him,

and

faidthat

the Papilla

dofö

ufe

the Word.

I

went on

and

told

him,

That

I

alfo

granted that

a

Man

for,

a

Cer-

tain

fpace might be

without

any AO

of

Sin ; and

as

I

was

proceeding,

here Bilhop"

Morley

interrupted me, according to

his

manner,

with

vehemency

crying

our,

what

can any

Man

be

for

any

time without

Sin!

And

he

founded

out

his

Aggrava-

tions

of

this

Doctrine;

and then

cryed to

Dr.

Bates,

what

fay

you

Dr.

Bates,

is

this

your Opinion

?

Saith

Dr.

Bates,

I

believe

that

we

areal

Sinners

;

but

I

pray my

Lordgive him

leave

to

#eak:

I

began

to go on to

the

rest

of

my

Sentence,

where

I

left,

to thew

the

Senfe

and

Truth

of

my

Words

; and

the

Bilhop (whether

in

PaC

lion or

Dfsgn

I

know

not)

interrupted

me again, and mouthed

out

the odionfnefs

of

my Doctrine

again and again,

I

attempted

to

fpeak, and

!till

he

interrupted me

in the

fame manner

:

Upon that

I

fat

down

and

told

him

that

this

was

neither

agreeable to

our

Commiflion, nor

the

common

Laws

of

Difputation, nor

the

Ci

-.

vil

Ufage

of

Men

in

common Converfe,

and

that

if

he

prohibited

me

to

fpeak,

I

defired

him to

do

it

plainly,

and

I

would

daft,

and

not by that way

of

Interrup

-_

tion. He told me,

1

had

ipeaking

enough

if

that were good,

for

I

fpake

more

than anyone

in

the Company

:

And

thus he

kept me fo long

from uttering

the

reft

of

my

Sentence,

that

I

fat

down

and gave

over, and

told

him

I

took

it

for

his

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