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Numb.

11mP

ENDi'X

typed

oür

felves

not to

do ft alone, though for mine own private

Opinion

I

doubt,

not

eafily

to

prove that

one

tingle Bithop

or Paftor

bath die

Power

of

the

Keys,

and may do

all

that we

agree

to

do.

Except.

to

Sett. 8.

4.

That

not only one fngle Presbyter

;

but one

whole

Ordination

was

neverhy

any Bithop to be Presbyter,

(where

alto Billions

were

that

might

have been fought

unto) bath that Power

aifo

of

Excommunication, &c.

Reply to

Sett.

8.

Your fourth

is

anfwered

in

the reft,

if

his'Ordination

have 'only in

the

Jthelgment

of

Epifcopal Proteflants

(yea,

of

fome Papifts) an Irregularity,

but notes

Nuttily,

then

he

hath Power to do

fo

much

as

we

agree

on:

Your Exception

is

as

much a-

gainft

his

other Miniftrations.

Except.

to

Sett.

9.

I

Speak

only

of

the

Effence

of their Affociation

;

,notinfifting

on

what

Mr.Bas-

ter declares

to

the World, that in

fòme Cafes

the

People

(not

fatisfied

withthe,13i-

'hops or Presbyters

Ordination) mayeccept or

take

a

Man

of

tiiemfelves

fvíthout

any Ordination

(by

Bithops

or Presbyters)

to

be

their Parlor and Presbyter with

Power

of

Excommunication

and

Abfolution

in

himfelf

alone

(without the People)

fee

p. 8

;.

Reply

to Seel.

9.

That

this

maybe donein

fomeCafes,l have

lately

difputed it with

a

learned Man

of

your Party, and

convinced him. And methinks Nature

fhould

teach you

if

you

were

(unordained, but

qualified by

Gifts) call among the

Indians,

that you

fhould

not

let them

perifh for

want of that

publick, confiant teaching which

is

.Minifterial, or

of Sacraments and Difcipline only for want

of

Ordination

;

that

the Sublançe of Duty

fhould

not be thrown

by

for want

of

that Order which

was

inftituted

for

its

Prefervation, and

not

for

its

Deltru

&ion.

You dare fcarce

o-

penly and plainly deny that Neceflity warrants the Presbyters

of

the Reformed

Churchesto ordain

:

AndIdoubt you allow

it

them

then on

no other

grounds,

then

what

would warrant this

that

I

am

now

pleading

for.

Except.

to Seel.

ro.

And'for

anyYotum

or

defire

of

Bifhops,Protefi.Bifhops

if

they might

have

them,or

eccefs

unto them (which

was

fo

oft the publick avowed Defire

of the chiefelt

Refor-

mers

and Protellants

beyond Sea,tnuch unlike theSpirit

ofourPresbyterians)fee what

Mr.

Baxter gives

us

to know,

p

8p.

where

(comparing our

prefent

Bithops

with

a

Leader in

an

Army)

he faith,

Nay, it

is

hard

nutting

that Man again,

that bath

be-

trayed

us

and the Church,

ibid.

Theft

have

fo

apparently

falfified

their

Truft,

that

if

we were

fully refolved

for

Bithops,

yet we cannot

fùbmit

to

them

for

Ordi-

nation or Jurifdietion, and then

he proves

it

by Canon

(he

thinks) that the Presby-

ters now fhould

not

fubmit

to the prelim

Bithope

by

Canon Concilü Rhegien.

ur.

perverfi

ordinatorre nullis demo ordinationibnr

interfant,

anddeafi you may reply, that

he

fpeaks

not

this

of

all

our prefent

Bifhops,

he

immediately fubjoins

there Words

[Where then

'hall

we have a

Bishop

to

ordain

of

the old aeon( Tribe

?]

Is

not

this

Chri-

ltian

Filial

Duty of

Presbyters

toward the Whops their Fathers?

Reply to

Sea

ro.

r.

For that

Defire

you again

mention

of

Bithops

in the Reformed Churches, it

is

an unproved,

vain Affertion againft

full

Evidence.

It

is

only

of

a few

particular

Perfons

in

thofe Churches

that

you can prove it

:

If

fo

many Writings againft Bi-

thops

and Conflitutions, and

a

&ual

Pra

&ice

will not

prove

them willing to be

without

them ;

or

at

leali,

net

necef"

tated

;

there

is

no

Proof of

any Man's

Will

or

Necellity. z. What

I

faid,

I mull

needs

maintain till you fay fomewhat

to

change my Judgment. Iam

paff

doubt

it's ill

trailing the

Betrayers and

Defiroy-

ers of the Church, with the Government

of

it

:

And this

I

did prove, and can

with great

Eafe and Evidence prove

it more

fully.

3.

I

pray you do not

perfuade

Men that by

[the

old accufed

Tribe]

I meant

all

the

late

Englith

Bithops

they

were

not

all accufed

of

deftroying or betraying the Church, that

I

ever

heard

of.

Where

be the Articles

that

wereput,

in

againft

Ufher,

Had, Davenant, Potter,

Weflfeld,

Pry

deaux,

&c. All thofe

that

I

call

the

accufed Tribe

you may find Articles

againft in

Parliament,

for

their Devaftations or

Abufes.

Should

the

Arrians, or other

He-

retick

Billions, fay

to thole that

forfook

them,

as

you do

of

me [is

not

this

Chri-

than,

Filial Duty

of

Presbyters towards the

Bitliops

their Fathers)

There

is

no

Duty to any Epifcopal Father that will hold againft God and

his

Church. Take

heed

of

making their

Sins

your own.

Except: