690 / 846
flmENDYX
Numb.I.
Except.
Sea.
r
r.
And
elfewhere
by Irony ,
he
adds,
0
what
is
raj', thing it was
to
imprifon
(
though when
be
was
imprtfoned,
I
believe
it mar
by
the Name
of
Dr:
Wren,
or
Bifbop
Wren)for
excommunicating,
depriving,&c.
p.5
x.
and
p.
68.
(To
begin at home
it
is
molt certain, according
to
many ancient Canons (which
are
their
Laws)
our
Englifh
Bithops
were incapable
of
ordaining
;
for they loft
their
Authority
by
in:
volving themfelves
in
fecular
and publick Adminiftrations,
Canon
80.
Apafiólig,]
N.
B.
That
Canon is
o.
beyond the Canons Apoftolical,
for even
the
Papiftsthem-
felves
admit but
of
fifty
genuine, and
he would
ejeâ
all
our
Bithops by
the
Both
Canon
Apoftolical
:
[Loft their
Authority
alto
for negleâ
of
inftrueling their
Flocks, molt or many of them, and many more for
non Refidence,
era.
Reply to
Sea. t
r.
.
And why not
[Wren]
without
any
further Title ,
as
well
as
Calvin, Luther,
Beza,
Zanchj,Groti,u,en. z.
Let the
indifferent Reader-palate
all my words, and
blame me
if
he can. What
?
feems
it
fo
fault
a
matter
in
your
eyes
to
expel lb many thoufand
Chrifian
Families, and
filence
and fufpendand deprive
fo
many
able
Miniflers,
in
fo fmall a
room, and
fo
fhort
a
time
?
as
that
it
is
difobedience
to
our Fathers
notto
content to theirpunititment
?
It
feems
then
thofe
filly.
Lambs
muff be
devoured,not
only without
refiftance
,
but
without complaint, or
accufing
the Wolves; becaufe
they
fay,
they were our Fathers
?
.
God
never
í t filch
Saturnine Fathers over his
Church,
fo
as
to
authorize them.in.this
,
orto prohibite
jilt
remedy.
He
never
gave them power for
Deftruaion ;but
for Edification.
3.
What
I
làid
of
our
Bi-
Ihops
incapacity upon
that
reafon
was exprelly ad bominem,againf
urine
own
Judge-
ment,
viz. upon
fuppofition
that
thofe
Canons
are
of
_
filch
force
as
thofe imagine
againft whom I difpute.
4.The Canon
8o
Apaft.
wasalfo brought
ad
hominem;
for
.
though it beconfeffed not of
equal
Antiquity with the
rest,
yet
for
that
Antiquity
they have, it
is
known how much
ufe chofe
men
make
of
their
f
rppofedjAuthority.
But are there not enough others
that
may evince the point in
hand
betides
that
may
eafily
know
it,and in
many Canons
that
null their
Office
who
corn
in by
the
Magiftracy.
Exbeption to
Sett. 12.
And
whereas we are ready
to
make
good
againft
all
the
Papifts
in
the
world,
that
our Englifh Proteftant
Bithops
had due
Ordination in Queen
Eliz.
and jKing Ed-
wards
time,
by fuck
who
had been
Ordained
in
King
Henry
the Eighths time
;
Mr.
Baxter tells
us,
the Popifh Bithops who
Ordained in the
days
of
Hen.
8.
and many
Agesbefore, had no power
of Ordination,
(and
ggthis
he
fpeaks
as
his
own judgment)
not
they received their Ordination
his
ocherBithops
for he
of
the Province
noroMs
tropo-
litan, but
only from the
Pope
frngly
?
yet this
is
all
the Argument he
hash to over-
throw
(confequentially upon our
objeâions)
the
Ordination of
thofe
Proteftant
Bi-
Ihops,
which
himfelf acknowledges Learned, Pious, Reverend Men and
all
that
Ordained ,
or were
Ordained,
in
Hen.
8.
&r
7. and many
Ages before,
as
he faith.
And indeed
if
hisDifcourfe were
of any
force,
not
only
in our Englith Church, but
alto'
in
all
the Churches of
the
Welt,.
France, Spain, Polonia, Swedland, Denmark,
and
throughout the Empire
of
Germany,
for thelè and thole many
Ages
before
which
he
fpeaks of,
and
all this
that
our new Presbyterians
of
Enngland,
(Volunteers
in
Ordaining,
and
being
Ordained
without
Bilhops,
without pretence
of
necetlisy,yea
or
difficulty,
or
colour
of
difficulty,
except what
themfelves
had
created :
(wherein
they have
as
little Communion with the Proteftants beyond
feas,
as
they have
with
the
Epift:opal
Proteltants of the true
Reformed.
Church
of
England) may be ac-
knowledged good and lawful Presbyters and
Patton,
with power
conjunttim
er
divz-
fim,any one
of
them alone
(as Mr.Baxter
thinks) to Excommunicate and
Abfolve i»
foro
Ecclefraftico.
Reply
tó
Sell.
rz,
The
word [Due]
may
fignifie
either fach
asis not nnii,
or
elfe
lath
as isfully
regular,
of
elfe
filch
as they
bad
Authority to perform,
who
did ordain,
though
they
might
have
tome
Faults
or Irregularities:
If
you take it
in the
firft Senfe,many will yield
it,who
yet deny
it in the
laff,asfuppofing
in
forne Cafes
OrdinationPaf
five
may be valid,and
fo due in
the Receiver;
when yet OrdinationAâive,iswithout
all
jultAuthority in the
Ordainer
:
Though
this
may teem ftrange,
I
am ready to
give fome Reafons for
ir.
It.mift
be
in
theiaft
Senfe,
conjunâ
with the
firlt,
that
you mull
take the Word
[Due]
if
you will fpeak to the
point
in
Hand.
2.
I
do exprefly
fay
there that it
is
[according to the
Doârine of
the Objeâorsconfequegtially] that I
affirm this
(not
affirmingordenying it
tobe
mine
own
Judgment) and to
that end bring the Proof