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flmENDYX

Numb.I.

Except.

Sea.

r

r.

And

elfewhere

by Irony ,

he

adds,

0

what

is

raj', thing it was

to

imprifon

(

though when

be

was

imprtfoned,

I

believe

it mar

by

the Name

of

Dr:

Wren,

or

Bifbop

Wren)for

excommunicating,

depriving,&c.

p.5

x.

and

p.

68.

(To

begin at home

it

is

molt certain, according

to

many ancient Canons (which

are

their

Laws)

our

Englifh

Bithops

were incapable

of

ordaining

;

for they loft

their

Authority

by

in:

volving themfelves

in

fecular

and publick Adminiftrations,

Canon

80.

Apafiólig,]

N.

B.

That

Canon is

o.

beyond the Canons Apoftolical,

for even

the

Papiftsthem-

felves

admit but

of

fifty

genuine, and

he would

ejeâ

all

our

Bithops by

the

Both

Canon

Apoftolical

:

[Loft their

Authority

alto

for negleâ

of

inftrueling their

Flocks, molt or many of them, and many more for

non Refidence,

era.

Reply to

Sea. t

r.

.

And why not

[Wren]

without

any

further Title ,

as

well

as

Calvin, Luther,

Beza,

Zanchj,Groti,u,en. z.

Let the

indifferent Reader-palate

all my words, and

blame me

if

he can. What

?

feems

it

fo

fault

a

matter

in

your

eyes

to

expel lb many thoufand

Chrifian

Families, and

filence

and fufpendand deprive

fo

many

able

Miniflers,

in

fo fmall a

room, and

fo

fhort

a

time

?

as

that

it

is

difobedience

to

our Fathers

notto

content to theirpunititment

?

It

feems

then

thofe

filly.

Lambs

muff be

devoured,not

only without

refiftance

,

but

without complaint, or

accufing

the Wolves; becaufe

they

fay,

they were our Fathers

?

.

God

never

í t filch

Saturnine Fathers over his

Church,

fo

as

to

authorize them.in.this

,

orto prohibite

jilt

remedy.

He

never

gave them power for

Deftruaion ;but

for Edification.

3.

What

I

làid

of

our

Bi-

Ihops

incapacity upon

that

reafon

was exprelly ad bominem,againf

urine

own

Judge-

ment,

viz. upon

fuppofition

that

thofe

Canons

are

of

_

filch

force

as

thofe imagine

againft whom I difpute.

4.The Canon

8o

Apaft.

wasalfo brought

ad

hominem;

for

.

though it beconfeffed not of

equal

Antiquity with the

rest,

yet

for

that

Antiquity

they have, it

is

known how much

ufe chofe

men

make

of

their

f

rppofedjAuthority.

But are there not enough others

that

may evince the point in

hand

betides

that

may

eafily

know

it,and in

many Canons

that

null their

Office

who

corn

in by

the

Magiftracy.

Exbeption to

Sett. 12.

And

whereas we are ready

to

make

good

againft

all

the

Papifts

in

the

world,

that

our Englifh Proteftant

Bithops

had due

Ordination in Queen

Eliz.

and jKing Ed-

wards

time,

by fuck

who

had been

Ordained

in

King

Henry

the Eighths time

;

Mr.

Baxter tells

us,

the Popifh Bithops who

Ordained in the

days

of

Hen.

8.

and many

Agesbefore, had no power

of Ordination,

(and

ggthis

he

fpeaks

as

his

own judgment)

not

they received their Ordination

his

ocherBithops

for he

of

the Province

noroMs

tropo-

litan, but

only from the

Pope

frngly

?

yet this

is

all

the Argument he

hash to over-

throw

(confequentially upon our

objeâions)

the

Ordination of

thofe

Proteftant

Bi-

Ihops,

which

himfelf acknowledges Learned, Pious, Reverend Men and

all

that

Ordained ,

or were

Ordained,

in

Hen.

8.

&r

7. and many

Ages before,

as

he faith.

And indeed

if

hisDifcourfe were

of any

force,

not

only

in our Englith Church, but

alto'

in

all

the Churches of

the

Welt,.

France, Spain, Polonia, Swedland, Denmark,

and

throughout the Empire

of

Germany,

for thelè and thole many

Ages

before

which

he

fpeaks of,

and

all this

that

our new Presbyterians

of

Enngland,

(Volunteers

in

Ordaining,

and

being

Ordained

without

Bilhops,

without pretence

of

necetlisy,yea

or

difficulty,

or

colour

of

difficulty,

except what

themfelves

had

created :

(wherein

they have

as

little Communion with the Proteftants beyond

feas,

as

they have

with

the

Epift:opal

Proteltants of the true

Reformed.

Church

of

England) may be ac-

knowledged good and lawful Presbyters and

Patton,

with power

conjunttim

er

divz-

fim,any one

of

them alone

(as Mr.Baxter

thinks) to Excommunicate and

Abfolve i»

foro

Ecclefraftico.

Reply

Sell.

rz,

The

word [Due]

may

fignifie

either fach

asis not nnii,

or

elfe

lath

as isfully

regular,

of

elfe

filch

as they

bad

Authority to perform,

who

did ordain,

though

they

might

have

tome

Faults

or Irregularities:

If

you take it

in the

firft Senfe,many will yield

it,who

yet deny

it in the

laff,asfuppofing

in

forne Cafes

OrdinationPaf

five

may be valid,and

fo due in

the Receiver;

when yet OrdinationAâive,iswithout

all

jultAuthority in the

Ordainer

:

Though

this

may teem ftrange,

I

am ready to

give fome Reafons for

ir.

It.mift

be

in

theiaft

Senfe,

conjunâ

with the

firlt,

that

you mull

take the Word

[Due]

if

you will fpeak to the

point

in

Hand.

2.

I

do exprefly

fay

there that it

is

[according to the

Doârine of

the Objeâorsconfequegtially] that I

affirm this

(not

affirmingordenying it

tobe

mine

own

Judgment) and to

that end bring the Proof