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12

APPENDIX

Numb.

I.

the knowing what you

mean by

the Catholick Church,

do you mean the whole,

or

only

a

Part

?

If

the whole, then

few

Minifters or

Bifhops

mull

be fò

accepted,

for who

is

known to

all

Chriftians in

the

World

?

If

a

Part,

then what

Part mutt

it

be

?

what

if

one

Part

repute him

a

true

Minifter

or

Bi

hop, and the other a

falfe

or none, which

is

very common

?

If

you

fay

it

is

the People over whom he

is

Pallor, then nothing more common then

for them

to

be

divided

in their Judg-

ments

:

If

you

fay

it

is

the greater part, then

we

flail

be

at utter Uncertainties for

our

Succeffmn,

as

little knowing

what thegreaterpart

of

the People thought

of

our

Predeceffors

;

if

you mean the Superior

Bishops,

then

a

Metropolitan it

feems

is

the

Catholick Church when

a Bi(hop

is

to

be

judged of and

it

is

like a

Patriarch

for

a

Metropolitan, and the Pope for

him. But

as x.

We

know

not how

thefe

judged of our

Predecefors.

2. So

we

little

believe

that

thefe Mens

Judgments

can

make

a

Man

to

be a

Bithop that

is

none, or make him have

a

Power which

elfe

he

had not

; this

is

worte than the Dodtrine which hangs the Efficacy

of

the

Sacra-

ments on

the

Prieffs

Intention

:

It's

like

the Faith of

tome

that think to

make

a

Falfehood become true

by believing

it

true.

3.

And

you

know

it

is

the Pope

whofe

Succeffion

we are

queftioning; and

which

is

the Catholick

Church that

muft

accept and repute him

a

true Pope

?

If

the Council

of

Bafl

were the

Catho-

lick

Church, then

you

know how

Eugeniva

was

reputed;

and

then

where

is

our

Succeflion

?

I

doubt

not

but true Chriltians

that

are

not guilty

of

the

Nullity

of

the Ordination, nor

knew

it, may

have

the

Benefit

and Blefling

of

filch

a Man's

Adminiflrations, and they

may

be

valid to

the

Receiver

:

But

that

is

on another

ground (which

I

have lately

manifefted to

another

in debating

this

Caufe) and

not

that the Adininiftrator

had any true Miniflerial Authority from

Geol.

Again,

I

refer you to my Anfwer

to

Bellarmine

and others in thole Papers.

Except.

to

Sed.

al.

Y.G.

Put

cafe

one

not baptizedthought to

have been baptized,had

(per ignoraetiam

feed)

been promoted to

be Bithop,

Archbifhop or Patriarch, yet

fo

long

as

the

Church

knew it not,

not

himfelf perhaps, but did accept him

bonaFide,

though

ipfa

Redo

had it been known,

fuch

had

been uncapable

of

Epifcopal

Order,

yee

being

fo

accepted

by the

Catholick

Church,

Ordinations done

by him were

not

null,

nor

did he

interrupt the

Succefiìon,

but

(laterite

omni

defedu bapti/;rti)

he

was

a

true

Bishop, though after

his

Death

by

any

Writing they

had come

to difcovetit,

for the Church

as

all

Judicatures rightly

proceeds

fecundum allegata

drprodata; the

fame

I fay

of

ferret

Symony

V.

S.

But

on

the other

fide

to

(peak

now to the Pref.

byterian Cafe.

Reply to

Sed.

18.

Nay

then

put

Cafe

the

Man

were

not Ordained, and

the

Church

took

him

to

be

Ordained

:

you

fay

the Church

ínuft proceed

fecundum allegata

er

probate,

doth

not

this give

up your Caufe, and

yield all

that I

plead for

?

which

is,

that an au-

thoritative

Ordination,

and

fo

an uninterrupted

Sneed-lion

is

not

(imply

and

abfo-

lately necrflary to the being

of

theMiniftry

:

For

you confefs your Churches Re-

putation may

ferve

without

it.

By the way take head

leaft

you either

make

the

People

to

be

none

of

the Catholick Church, or at

leaf+,

you

give

a

Power

to

the

People to make Minifters

Bifhops and Popes

by their bare Thoughts without Ordi-

nation, or

fo

much

as

Eleâion.

But

then

you will remember, that

if

Reputation

without

¡aft

Ordination

may

ferve

turn, I

know not but thofeamong

us

may be

Mi.

nifters whom you

difclaim: For the

Pastors and People

of

all

the

Proteftant

Churches

in

Europe

(except your

Pelves

here)

do

take

fuch for

Minders

(fo far

as

it

is

pollible by

Writings,

Profe(lions, and

Praâices

to know

their

Minds)

and

I

hope

they

are

as

good

a

part

of

the CatholickChurch

as

the Pupa and

his

Confiflory

are.

If

Reputation then will make Pallors without Ordination,

we

may have

as

good

a Plea

as

thofe

you plead

for.

For the

cafe

of

Simony

you mention, fee

what I

cited ootJbf Dr.

Hammond,

and you know lure that

many

Canons

make

Ordinati-

ons null;

and the

Office null,

ipfo

Fado, whether ever the Party be queftioned in

Judgment

or not

:

filch

Canons

and Laws are equal to

Sentences.

A

Cafe alto may

be known that

is

never que(iioned and

Judged, who

could

queftion the Sodomiti-

cal unclean murderous Popes, though

it

was

commonly

known?

I

take

it

for

grant-

ed

thereforethat

the Knowledge degraded them without

a

Judgment

according to

yöur'odt>n

Words

here

(unlefs

one part

of

them

contradiâ

the other.)

Except.

to

Seit.

r

f.

The

fame

ancient

Church

which didmake

void'

andannul conffantly

all

Ordina;

tions

made

by

meer Presbyters,whether they Schifìnati'callyarrogated to themfelves

to

be Bifhops

(and were not, nor

fo

reputed by

the

Church)

or

otherwife upon

any