TRAVERg. 31g T. The cases are very different. In the one, Simeon and Levi, being private men, rose up against the magistrates; but in the other, Nebuchadnezzer, coming to destroy Jeru- salem, was their king, to whom they were tributary, and to whom they swore obedience. In the one case, they were sojourners in a strange country, and rose up and killed both the people and the magistrates of the country; but, in the other, the king Nebuchadnezzer only punished those who rebelled against him. S. Private baptism appears, in several respects, not agree- able to the word of God. It is private, and performed by i laymen, yea, even by women; and the doctrine it mplies, even that children dying unbaptized are in danger of dam- nation, and that outward baptism saveth the child that is baptized. A. The place is not of the substance of the ordinance. It has been administered privately in time of persecution, andmay be again. T. That is no part of the question. We are now speak- ingof baptism to be administered in time of peace. A. The persons, in like manner, are not of the sub- stanceof baptism ; and in time of persecution, as well as in some other cases, private men have baptized, and may do it again. As for the baptism ofwomen, though I would not allow them to baptize, neither doth the book appoint them so to do; Nyet I will not deny their baptism to be lawful. I would rather have a child so baptized than die without baptism. Though I do not affirm that children dying without baptism, will certainly be lost; yet, because I should fear and doubt the safety of their state, I would have thembaptized by a woman, rather than not at all.. (Here the first day's conference closed.) On December 12th they assembled again, when the lord treasurer and the archbishop of York were added to their number. When the company was assembled, Archbishop Whitgift rehearsed what hadbeen discussed on the first day, and then ordered Mr. Travers and Dr. Sparke further to enumerate their objections. But the recapitulation being very partial and imperfect, Dr. Sparke made some amend- ment, by adding what his lordship had omitted. This being done, they proceeded as follows : A. Ciprian and some other of the fathers vouch the apo- crypha as part of the holy scripture. 4, MS. Register, p. 501-503.
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