A 4. 36 LIVES OF THE PURITANS. G. If I did, `I would not accuse it unto you. Q. But what say you ? is not the whole land; as now ordered, a true established church ? Q. No, not as the assemblies generally are. If it please you, I will shew you the reasons. Jus. No, you shall have enough to shew hereafter. It is not to be stood upon now. Q. What do you say of the church of England, as it is governed by bishops ? Is it antichristian ? G. According to the bishops,and laws it is nowgoverned by, it is not according to the scriptures. Winch. Thou hast the scriptures often in thy mouth. Is it antichristian ? G. Yes, I hold it is contrary to Christ's word. Q. What say you then of the sacraments ? Are they true sacraments ? G. No. They are not rightly administered, according to the institution of Christ, nor have they the promise of grace; becauseyou keep not the covenant. Q. Speak plainly. Are they true sacraments, or not ? G. No. For if you have no true church, you can have no true sacraments. Q. How say you, are we baptized ? G. You have the outward sign, which is washing ; but no true sacrament. Q. How can that be ? G. Very well.. Q. Is it lawful baptism ? G. Yes. Q. Need we then be baptized again ? G. No. Q. Should we be baptized at all ? G. Yes. For if we contemn it, we deny the possession of grace. Q. Do you hold it lawful to baptize children ? G. I am no anabaptist, I thank God. Q. How far do you differ from them ? G. As far as truth is from error. Q. You have a boy unbaptized. How old is he ? G. A year and a half. Q. What is his name ? G. Abel. Q. Who gave him'that name ? Here Mr. Greenwood attempted to assign reasons for what he said, but was not suffered to proceed.
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